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God Either Is Or He Isn’t


At some point in our recovery we all will come face to face with the truth about God. Who He is, His will for us and if we are going to answer His call to a personal relationship.
according to the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous its main purpose is to show the alcoholic precisely how to recover.
How did we recovery? According to the Big Book we recovered by the power of a loving God, the Creator, Father of Lights, our Heavenly Father, the God of the Preachers.

Now we can all disagree with the Big Book, but it says what it says.
I believe when living the program of AA we follow the instruction in the Big Book. At some point that would suggest that we come to a personal walk and relationship with Christ. Not a Christ of religion and law but a Christ of relationship and love.

If Jesus was good enough for the founders and the hundreds of early members then He’s good enough for me!

This doesn’t mean people can follow other gods, idols, even self. I just don’t see the Big Book speaking about those. Remember, when Ebby T was suggesting that Bill try his own conception of God he was speaking out of frustration.

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3 Responses to “God Either Is Or He Isn’t”


  1. April 1, 2010 at 12:01 am

    Monty: Great new blog. Your comments are right on target and leave no stone unturned. Congrats. Dick

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    Part 1: How the First Three A.A. Members Got Sober and Were Cured
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  2. 2 John A.
    April 6, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Everything we believe is to our perception of a concept. When you say Ebbie was frustrated and as a last resort said a God of your understanding I believe you are assuming, for it does not say that he said that out of frustration but your interpertation. If he did and you believe that we must follow a Christian belief, then you will turn awqay many people around the world who do not share your beliefs. The simple fact that I was able to allow God into my life because of that simple statementy of “My own understanding” was the very thing that allowed me to move on through these steps and find the Spiritual path that I so badly needed. It is a relationship strictly between my Higher Power and me. I do not try to direct anyone to follow my beliefs or copy anyone else. I guess I always resisted someone telling me to beleive what they want me too. I appreciate all religions, but extrqact from them what works for me. I try to practice the steps each and every day, but cherish my relationship with God of my understanding above all. This is what has truly set me free..

  3. July 17, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Hi Mont’y. Glad to see you are doing well. My older son just went through treatment recently & is doing okay or about as well as one could expect.
    I have not been online much in the past year.
    Bill Dice


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